The mighty IFB has spoken It looks like I'm wasting my time. They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: But it is for these very reasons that I and millions of other Americans cant understand it. The Bible and only the Bible reveals to men how to have their sins forgiven and have everlasting life and heaven. Thank you for visiting Fundamental.org Home to the KJV Church directory! Found you after all this time!!! Jesus quoted the old testament. When the Roman Emperor declared Christianity the religion of Rome, he in mass converted hordes of pagans which made up the Empire. WHEN AND WHERE WAS THE FIRST RECORDED BAPTIST CHURCH IN HISTORY. Surely, no church that practiced false doctrine, as many of these groups did, can in truth be called a Baptist church. The cops accused them of urinating in the water. The New IFB website and social media accounts - launched in early 2018 - have been taken down, and some pastors have distanced themselves from Anderson and his movement. As with any true New Testament church, its validity as a true church approved of God, does not, nor or ever did rest on its name or upon a succession of churches, but on its adherence to the principles of Gods Word. There's only one way to heaven, and that . If your church does teach the following then watch out, you are probably in a manipulating extreme IFB church situation. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? BTW, my Church of Christ neighbor and I were good friends, and looked out for each other. For example, Paul wrote letters to the churches, each being intended for one church, and then other churches used them and later they were accepted as fully inspired parts of Scripture. In 1539 thirty one more who had fled to Holland were apprehended and martyred there. (I Corinthians 15:1-4) Further, if a person is truly saved and strictly follows the principles of the New Testament he will in a true sense be a Baptist whether he uses the name or not. Biblical Mandate for BaptistDeception.com. America needs great Independent Baptist churches again. It tried to explain and figure out why IFB churches seem to be drying up and closing their doors. Proverbs 21:24, Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath. 5) shun folks that have left the church He mentions a man named William Sawtre, who was identified as a Lollard and Baptist, was the first person burned at the stake after Henry IVs 1400 AD decree to burn heretics. Look at Ezekiel 33. That local body of baptized believers would be as valid a true New Testament church as any church Christ ever founded. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. The church I left about 2 years ago had very nasty tracts in the back of the church that said horrible things about other translations, calling them perversions and so forth and actually saying outright lies about other translations. It is an important part of the church. However, tithing has nothing to do with your Salvation KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. The new testament says Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. that pretty much destroys the idea of someone being forced to give. My statement about folks not studying and just sitting in the pew and listening to the MOG, was not addressed to you specifically, but to folks generally, you wouldnt agree to this? My study of the word psalms is that it includes singing with a musical instrument. We don't have enough information about nwbbc.com safety, we need to dig a little deeper before we make the call. Don't expect anything contemporary or liberal. This was the birth of Protestant churches. Hope that last wasnt too much personal info. Some of his former congregation in Salem joined him and they set up a colony. 3. Where the pastors power is total? Pastors tiptoe around specific sins so not to offend. Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. The true Independent Fundamental Baptists have no association or fellowship with these churches because they teach or practice things contrary to the New Testament. Jesus didnt find it necessary to dress differently than anyone else, why should the MOG? Unfortunately, serious Bible study is in short supply these days. I would either be kicked out or asked to put on something to wear. Filter Churches. . I appreciate your response, I am especially glad to hear that your mother has returned to the church. There is every value in appealing only to present adherence to the New Testament as ones sole authority for faith and practice. Something else to note here, what were they tithing? Up to this time Williams was not a Baptist. Just because all churches do something a certain way (whether its tithing, tithing a tenth, standing on their heads when they pray, or whatever) doesnt make it correct. However, after independence was won and the Constitutional written giving all Americans religious freedom, the Baptist again began to grow until today they are the largest denomination in the United States. The connection with past churches for the modern Baptist is not the name, but rather their doctrine and practice. It is not the name or the organization that makes a Biblical church, but its practice of the faith as revealed in the New Testament. Even some TV evangelists have referred to themselves as being fundamentalist. So, I guess we are not all as rigid as one would believe from some comments. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. The rest of it is up to our Heavenly Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Baptist continued to grow in numbers through the period of the Great Awakening and up to the time of the Revolutionary War. 2. It is the clergymen who are affiliated. Even if a church blows the interpretation of verses like this and sets up what you refer to as a hierarchy, I feel you are in error to claim that God has no party with them, see for reference the 7 churches in Revelation which had great things going for them, but Christ had to deal with their errors. Those good Church of Christ folks, I have a few friends in that faith, good folks, but as youve so clearly pointed out, completley out in left field as it relates to musical instruments in the church. The local pastor is the shepherd (Heb. Updates? A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church as found in the New Testament. I have heard people argue that a certain type of dress is more attractive to the world, or woman wearing dresses sets them apart as being different. I dont understand the context of your comment. One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! Baptist as a whole were patriots and many Baptist pastors served as chaplains in the Revolutionary Army. There are a number of other wrong teachings w/in this church but the false teaching about baptism is far and away the biggest, some of the others are, not believing in eternal security, and close behind is not believing that one can know that you are saved. After Henry VII separated England from the Roman Catholic Church the Baptist faired no better. I made a very similar forgiveness plea on facebook just yesterday, asking all to forgive me if I had ever legalistically stepped on them. I think Lynne has been fed a large dose of legalism, and just cant seem to escape it. Thanks but addressed all points. Hear personal testimonies and watch missionary slideshows with RealAudio narratives. Thousands of Southern Baptist Churches didn't baptize a single convert last year. Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. Romans 1:20 says that For since the creation Gods invisible qualities his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.. In a biblical church the pastor is the overseers or leaders of the congregation. Other Anabaptists groups were in gross error and corrupted. 7) divorce as the unpardonable sin you can be forgiven if you kill someone, or if you have been saved from a homosexual lifestyle, but God help you if you have been divorced, they will still let you come to the meetings but you have to set on the back row. I understand what you are saying by the verses you referenced in John. Someone, somewhere has hurt you. (II Peter 1:20) Baptist believe you do not have to be a Baptist in order to be saved and have eternal life, but a person must believe the Gospel as revealed in the New Testament. What possible value is there in appealing to a supposed unbroken line of Baptist churches as a churchs authority. One young lady began attending a non IFB Baptist church. I feel silly because some of the things I stood up for on this site are the same things that made me leave. However, history is clear that in the beginning and into the 9th Century there were churches in Britain that rejected pedo-baptism, popery and other false doctrines of the Catholics. These distinctives are the distinctives taught in Bible which constitute a true New Testament church. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. It is believed that God meant what he said in Revelation 22:18, the Scriptures were not to added to or taken from. The most important center of early Baptist churches was around Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love. In 1684, Thomas Dungan started a church at Cold Springs, New York which lasted until 1702. So wonderful to hear you are making progress in your spiritual journey. They called themselves Baptists because that was the best name they could choose to describe what they believed and the name identified them a Bible believing people. Ok how about some peace Blessed are the peacemakers I apologize for my abrasive writing style and did not purposely write to offend you, but make no mistake, someone can be dunked until they know every minnow by name, but that doesnt make them saved. You know, when you really dig into many religions you find much of mans tradition. . In fact Jesus emphatically stated in Matt. Total. Its not that I wouldnt want to give to bothbut if I only have 30 dollars; Id rather give to feed, clothe, house & most of all share the Gospel vs just feed, clothe & housed. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. And I dont study my Bible enough and would say no one does. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? The not so fine folks at Westboro Baptist are a bunch of lunatic fringe haters that act in contrast to the love of Christ they espouse to embrace. An Independent Baptist Church would not be apart of a national organization that would exercise authority over the local church. This is Bible 101 stuff. 77. To only teach from the New Testament and ignoring the old is not using the whole Word of God. My sons group will be performing on the Indie stage at 10:00 am on July 1. History records the members of this Baptist church went back to England or remained in Holland and joined Mennonites. We all make mistakes, the only thing we can do is apologize and attempt to do better. Make no mistake though baptism will never save anyone! The Anabaptists were mostly a God-fearing group of people. But this issue is just another one that the IFBs get wrong, worrying themselves over externals as opposed to the internals. I also believe that hanging around with non-Christians is detrimental to ones faith as I have done this. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. 3:8-13) are appointed from the local congregation and approved by the majority vote. Do you think you can bring others to Christ in this manner? In fact, no church on earth can make that claim. A prime example of the dangers of belonging to a convention is seen in the apostate Southern Baptist Convention. Greg, Also, as a Southern Baptist, I am wondering if your fifth distinctive disqualifies my congregation, since we are members of the Southern Baptist Convention. 6:30, Titus 1:9-11, II Tim. So far newere at IFB church (if is is refered to as one by a IFB site think) & has not as far as I know been told must. The one thing that makes one a Baptist is that historically they have followed the New Testament alone as its sole rule for faith and practice. Its is true that many Baptists left the ranks of Protestant churches which were doctrinal unsound and apostate. I find it difficult sometimes to keep Gods sovereignty and my responsibility in balance. 3:3). As long as they go to a God fearing church that believes in Jesus Christ and they themselves are not rebelling against God then it would not hurt my feelings if they went to Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. PO BOX 346. Shall we simply eradicate all sermons about sin? 2 Timothy 2:24, And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient. We had an elderly woman that lifted her hands and shouted to the Lord the entire service before she went home to be with Him. I would also venture to say the same of you, which you said of me. Or second, you could be referring to those who held to Baptist beliefs and were called by the name Baptist. @greg If it furthers & advances the Kingdom of God (the Church, Evangelism, Missionaries, etc), then I believe it is going to God. Read More. I dont believe it is a Law that one has to tithe. I have transferred schools and since then Ive had to find a new church. Knolleys after two years returned to England at the request of his father. The cause is clear. Fortunately my current pastor, though still somewhat legalistic, has studied and understands that tithing was for Jews under the old covenant/law, Im just hoping he keeps studying about some other issues, but you know all of us are learning and growing (hopefully). In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. The Dutch colony of New York for a time persecuted Baptists within its territories. They were intolerant to anyone who did not agree to the authority of the Puritan church, which was supported by a governmental church tax of all the people. I certainly need Gods help to do the things He has asked me to do. It cannot be stated too often that the importance of these churches was not in their name, but in what they believed and practiced. True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. @greg (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23) Priesthood of the Believer. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. I hope Im helping him in his faith journey. There were nine original members of the church which included two women. King Ethelbert and his court, and a considerable part of his kingdom, were won over by the successful monk. The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. Please anyone readng this, go back and take a couple weeks and seriously read through the gospels again, over and over, our Lord talks about, and condemns pharisees and others for dressing up the outside and not being concerned about the inside, btw if the inside is right the outside will follow. The bible says Let God be true and every man a liar So follow the Word and you will never be led astray. Many of the TV evangelists and all of the Charismatic and Pentecostal churches promote teachings which are not Biblical. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. Sure you used scripture, but only as a hammer to bash Greg on the head. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. Tithing preceded the NT and ended with the establishment of the New Covenant. Please note that this presented no problem for this first Baptist church in America. Does Westboro Baptist in Topeka, Kansas (Thank God for 9/11, God hates fags, Thank God for dead soldiers) fall under the IFB category? At any rate, logical fallacies dont need to be in or out of context to be called logical fallacies. KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA . The Puritans were dissenters from the Church of England. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. The Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. IMO, this is is baptist deception at its absolute worst. Tithing I believe is liberty. Later Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Methodist were added to the lists of Protestants denominations. Have a look at Matthew 15. Please excuse me. Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. I wish you well in your new school and church. Further, suppose that a Bible somehow was to fall from the plane and the inhabitants of this isolated land were to be able to pick up that Bible and read the text for themselves. Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation and therefore can not be correctly called protestors or Protestants. Some Baptists such as the Landmark Baptist and those often referred to as I have spoken to my pastor about this, and he insists that its fine for me as a parishioner to come as I am, but he as a pastor should be dressed alittle better, I told him if that is a personal conviction that is fine, but did he have any scripture to support that, of course he didnt. We hope it will be a blessing to you. Assistant Pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Watertown, WI since 2017. I have to chuckle every time I think about a comment our former IFB pastor said about lifestyle evangelism as he puts it. Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. 1 Timothy 5:17 Deception, 61. A side note, my sons group In Search Of Reason has been selected to play for CreationFest this year. People who study dont fall so easily for false teaching. One of the most unsettling things to experience is dealing with corruption in power. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life. Thanks for your response. ), and maybe even stand up and shout if the Lord really touches their heart, Sorry that you had a bad experience, but not all IFB churches are alike, and mine is great! This is the true heritage the Fundamental Baptists holds dear, there have always been assemblies which submitted themselves only to the sole authority of the Word of God. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Gossips offer plausible deniability. Now when the head of a church & all dem that fall in line must appply apsotast (like openly Gay Pastor, etc) than you should have some of them on here big. What does this have to do with our discussion? He was much displeased with the Puritan theocracy. Member churches are forbidden to affiliate with any denomination, and the fellowship, administered by annually elected trustees, cannot . These churches patterned themselves strictly after the New Testament example, and this made them valid churches approved of God. Advanced Search Directory View All Listings Add Listing Sort By: Grace Baptist Church Pastor's Name Timothy C. Johnson Physical Address 487 Hwy. Suppose an airplane flew over some isolated country that had no past or present contact with anyone else in the world. So, obligating someone to feel like they mustis not I believe what God wants. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. There was a fine of 2000 pounds of tobacco for failure to have ones infant children baptized. If I was wearing a sponge Bob square pants costume while leading worship I would probably be asked to change into something more appropriate. I attend an IFB church. Please do not take this the wrong waybut coming from someone who I think is more objective (i was not raised in a IFB, just joined, been a part of non-denm & other denm fellowships), well here goes in love: it almost seems like you have an axe to grind with IFB Church. I agree! These things I write unto you that ye may know that ye have salvation. These are the mistakes one finds when following man-made theology. Questions/comments: Pastor Brewer's email: Wprophet@aol.com. That saintly old woman in the pew may be depending upon her infant baptism to get her to heaven. Catholicsm is beyond a denomination & a religious institution with some Christian tenants. If you think women ought to wear pants, thats your prerogative. They will not participate, on a church basis, or any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Enter city. Lynne, Although, many Protestants returned in part to a belief in the Bible as their authority for their faith and practice, not one of them EVER completely left all the doctrinal errors and false teachings of the apostate Roman Catholic church. Unaccountable. Would you agree with me on this? He also had a big thing against girls being in beauty pageants, not sure what the problem was there. For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. (1 Tim. [CDATA[ 4:1-5, 1 Cor. One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism. I found a load of stuff about people who claim certain Calvarly Chapels misueded them & did not know Bible & also on ehere in Maryland has a onliune tithe on website! How can you not see that? Since you seem to be more of an authority on this, could you recommend some source material which would specifically deal with this from an IBC perspective? Blessings & againIm so sorry you were hurt like that you & your family. Personally, I try to for the most part give as I think God is pleased incl supporting Evangelism Ministrys like Compassion (that not only care for childrens physical need but also spirtual vs. the formerly known as Christian Childrens Fund now I believe under the name Child Aide, mainly becaus eCompassion confesses to be Christian & I believe to support church endeavors. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism. It is the Word of God, the Bible, that makes up what is a real and true church! 3.) 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. The transformation God is making in our lives makes us stand out. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. It can be historically determined that forty seven Baptist churches were in existence before the Great Awakening. Tithing is still a required act in obedience just like loving the Lord thy God and loving thy neighbor as thyself is. Whether these groups of believers called themselves Baptists or not, if they were doctrinally pure, following the New Testament for their faith and practice they were New Testament churches and thus they can be called Baptistic.
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